Joe Spector

I'll do anything.

And so I think that's when I realized there's really no other option when it comes to, there's no telemedicine options that I saw.

And it goes back to that a lot of times it has to do with the laws.

But look, I'm the guy who I figured when HIMS started, it was actually a similar situation.

Back five years ago, telemedicine wasn't legal on the human side either.

Like we forget that because it's now so commonplace, but it was also the same thing.

And I helped change those laws back then.

I think that's kind of why some of these groups are scared of me is because this guy comes from a place where like he has nothing to lose.

He's only doing, I mean, also I think it's because I'm doing the right thing.

I think they don't like that.

And I've done it before.

So I think that kind of gives me more confidence that I can do it again.

And I don't think that's, because before this, so before Dutch came on the scene, what the shelter groups, for example, that wanted telemedicine, what they were doing is talking to the state veterinary boards.

Because that's a simpler way that this could all change.

If the veterinary board at the state, they could just say, if you want to do telemedicine, do telemedicine, if it's medically appropriate.

It could be as simple as that.

And so for over 10 years, they were having these conversations.

And so that's when I got here and I'm like, this is doing nothing.

So we got to go the legislative route.

But it doesn't seem like they're thinking that way.