Joel Penny

I think they didn't win in their first 10 games.

And I mean, with all due respect to Bournemouth, I feel like it's easier to go 10 games without a win as a Bournemouth manager than it is as a Liverpool manager.

I think people's heads would be falling off and rolling down the alley road if that happened.

It's how you lose as much as the actual losing of it.

I think a new manager would probably get more leeway than the current manager would in that scenario.

There's no going around it.

But I do still think, particularly someone like Irola, who there are doubts about how he converts to the very top level...

I think those doubts would start to pile on, and particularly from outside, the pressure would be on.

Pressure's always going to be on.

There's no getting around that part.

But I just, I can see a world in which they were saying, well, there is no perfect solution now, so we're going to try and keep going.

I don't agree with it, but I can see how they get to that situation.

No, no, no, who's to say so?

I get what you're saying, but you can kind of make that same argument to say, well, who are outside Luis Enrique, who are the outstanding candidates, who is definitely going to make it better than it is now.

No.

Maybe there's some other reason why they didn't feel... Because there's two schools here.

Either they thought Alonso was a good manager, but they thought their other plan was better, or they didn't think Alonso would work for them.

No, no.

Well, it's difficult.

I mean, Aston Villa were in the title race at stage this season.