Joey Osborne

Like you can follow Nancy Pelosi or whatever.

You can do whatever she does.

I mean, it's pretty amazing the rags to riches stories of a lot of these, you know, politicians who've made whatever they make, $180,000 a year or something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's a better story.

It's very like, you know, I mean, it's such a great outlier.

Yeah, for sure.

But I love this.

I like that idea of what Dan mentioned about finding the top, the influencers.

And what struck me, I don't know whether I've shared this with you, but there's a podcast called How I Built This by Guy Raz.

And he interviews founders of companies and they tell the story of starting up.

And there was one podcast called

that he did with Miles Copeland, who was the brother of Stuart Copeland and the manager of the police, the band.

And he was telling the stories of, you know, he basically learned management because he was managing his brother's band.

That was how he got into the music business, right?

And his reflection on it was that

the number one job of a manager is to make sure that people know your band exists.

That was, he surmised, that's the number one thing.

But then he thought that some people matter more