John Bruin

There is this... There are occasional flashes of personality.

you know, that's a red card.

Messi knew he'd done it as well.

I don't know if you recall...

I don't know if he did it deliberately, but he knew that he'd committed the offence.

back in the 22 World Cup, there was him speaking, being quite abusive actually towards the Dutch players, a side of him that we've never really seen.

It was nasty.

It was nasty.

But, you know, he's a crotchety old man, isn't he?

Obviously there is this deep competitive edge, there must be if he's continuing on like this, but yeah, we're not sure.

That's the thing.

But he's also a brilliant footballer as well.

I think he's 39 during the tournament.

And it probably won't come out, or the back channels will reveal it perhaps, but that's just Messi.

We don't know him.

He's different to Ronaldo, isn't he?

No, no.

And this is the thing with Messi is he's unknowable, isn't he?

Ronaldo...

almost presents the sort of Stepford Wives version of himself, doesn't he, with all the social media stuff.