John Bruin

That's the thing.

He keeps himself... He's a superstar who no one really knows.

Messi is on lots of adverts, but even in adverts, he sort of is unknowable there too, isn't he?

That's it.

There is this... There are occasional flashes of personality.

I don't know if you recall...

He's just an unspeaking guy, you know.

back in the 22 World Cup, there was him speaking, being quite abusive, actually, towards the Dutch players, a side of him that we've never really seen.

Only David Beckham is more present, from what I understand, of all the advertising out there.

Beckham is advertising everything.

Obviously, there is this deep competitive edge.

Chainsaws, I think I saw at one point.

There must be if he's continuing on like this.

Yeah.

But, yeah, we're not sure.

And it probably won't come out or, you know, the back channels will reveal it perhaps, but that's just Messi.

We don't know him.

He's different to Ronaldo, isn't he?

Ronaldo almost presents the sort of Stepford Wives version of himself, doesn't he, with all the social media stuff.

Messi is on lots of adverts, but even in adverts, he sort of is unknowable there too, isn't he?