John Harwood

Well, on this larger point, since it does implicate all of us in the journalism business, how would you assess the level of support you've gotten from colleagues in the business?

By the way, just a quick shout out.

I hope you heard from Flip, our former colleague, who's a great producer on your show and love dealing with her.

Let me ask you this.

What do you think Trump's actual goal is, or how far do you think he intends to take this assault on the First Amendment that he has launched?

No talent.

Yeah, all that stuff.

Are you expecting him to go after others in the same way?

Of course.

Are you expecting more journalists to get arrested in the course of 2026?

Same as with Minnesota protests.

They're so monofocused on striking out at who they want to strike out at, they haven't adequately gauged the reaction.

So Minnesota hurt Donald Trump.

I suspect that your case will also hurt Donald Trump.

Don't know if he recognizes that, but that's what I think.

He doesn't have the psychological wherewithal to do that.

Right.

Certainly the people who work for him might be able to recognize that.

Also, those things have hurt him.

But all of that goes into the bucket of he's gone too far.