John Henry Brown (Defense Attorney)

No. God, I wish she was. I really wish she was. No.

No. God, I wish she was. I really wish she was. No.

No, I'm going to lose my shirt on this case, actually, just like many of my other cases.

No, I'm going to lose my shirt on this case, actually, just like many of my other cases.

And what does that add up to for you? A case of circumstantial evidence.

And what does that add up to for you? A case of circumstantial evidence.

Bundy once told me that he knew he was evil. Now, most sociopaths don't say that. Now, I don't see any of that in Michael at all.

Bundy once told me that he knew he was evil. Now, most sociopaths don't say that. Now, I don't see any of that in Michael at all.

I think somebody asked Michael recently whether he thought, Michael thought, Mark Stover was evil. And Michael said, no, not all parts of him, which I thought was a very gracious thing for Michael to say under the circumstances. But I think there were parts of Mark Stover that were very evil.

I think somebody asked Michael recently whether he thought, Michael thought, Mark Stover was evil. And Michael said, no, not all parts of him, which I thought was a very gracious thing for Michael to say under the circumstances. But I think there were parts of Mark Stover that were very evil.

You know, when you start treating people as objects, which is what Stover did, particularly with Linda, then I think that crosses over.

You know, when you start treating people as objects, which is what Stover did, particularly with Linda, then I think that crosses over.

Okay, how close is it to you?

Okay, how close is it to you?

Okay, what happens then?

Okay, what happens then?

Would you mind taking off your coat? I'm not sure how it works, so why don't you put this on the way you had it on, right?

Would you mind taking off your coat? I'm not sure how it works, so why don't you put this on the way you had it on, right?

So Mr. Valles is holding the gun out. He's fired at you. What do you do?

So Mr. Valles is holding the gun out. He's fired at you. What do you do?

I don't think we were expecting that.

I don't think we were expecting that.

That was amazingly fast, Mr. Oakes. Is that the way you did that?

That was amazingly fast, Mr. Oakes. Is that the way you did that?

Yes, please take that off.

Yes, please take that off.

You somehow get Mr. Stover's body into the station wagon.

You somehow get Mr. Stover's body into the station wagon.

Was the gun with him?

Was the gun with him?

After you did that, what did you do?

After you did that, what did you do?

We see your tape of when you get to Linda's, so that would be accurate, right? Yes. When you got to Linda's, did you tell her anything about what had happened?

We see your tape of when you get to Linda's, so that would be accurate, right? Yes. When you got to Linda's, did you tell her anything about what had happened?

What time was that?

What time was that?