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John Ioannidis

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Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

Practically what you see when you have an outbreak, you see the worst cases, those that have the severe symptoms, the worst outcomes.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

However, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

Usually there is far more

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

that is going on in terms of infectious load in the community.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

And the question is, how much more is the part that you're missing?

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

So the early estimates, if you take the base fatality ratio or infection fatality ratio for SARS-CoV-2, the quote by the WHO was 3.4% based on early data that looked at the denominator, how many people died, and the denominator, how many cases we have documented

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

based on testing.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

However, testing had been extremely limited almost all over the world and it was not based on representative random samples of the population.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

In one setting where we have representative sample of the entire population at the moment or close to that is Iceland that has a very well designed study covering the Icelandic population.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

They test volunteer samples that represent the general population until the time that we're talking

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

based on what they have tested, they see about 1% infection rate in the community, which is about 3,500 Icelanders being infected, and only one death has been recorded, which is an infinitesimally lower rate compared to the 3-4% that went into the original calculations.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

Another situation is the cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, where everybody was tested, more or less, with a few exceptions, and the

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

The number of deaths were 7 out of 700 people found to have been infected, which is 1%.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

But this is a very elderly cohort.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

If you adjust for the age structure and gender structure in that population to project it against a typical general population of the U.S.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

or the U.K., the infection fatality rate is much, much lower than 1%.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

With sample size of 10,000, you can get a very reliable picture with relatively limited uncertainty about what is the ballpark that you need to know to make an informed decision.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

So it can clearly tell you whether we are at 0.1% of the population or 1% or 5% of the population being infected or higher.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

And this is really what we need to know urgently and be able to track in terms of big changes downstream.

Talk Evidence
Talk Evidence covid-19 update - Confused symptoms, fatality rate uncertainty, Iceland’s testing

If the percentage is very low, then the best strategy would be to just try very, very forcefully to track every single case and the contact and make sure that you isolate people who are infected.

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