John Kiriakou

And then he comes back as the deputy executive director of the whole CIA.

Right.

So it's director, deputy director, executive director, and then the deputy directors for operations, intelligence, science, technology, administration.

And they're dotted lines.

So he's now one of the five directors.

most senior people in the entire cia he does that for a couple of years and then becomes the executive director by the time i get promoted to be the morning briefer for the director and executive assistant i'm throwing all these stupid terms out executive assistant to the deputy director for operations i'm meeting with brennan every single day so we're we're doing the iraq war we're doing terrorism and al-qaeda and all this stuff

He didn't like me and I didn't like him.

And then when I became the quote unquote human rights guy, that just kind of sealed it for me.

But I didn't care because I didn't respect him anyhow.

I will say that Jim Pavitt, the deputy director for operations, legendary officer and a really great guy, he hated Brennan more than I did.

And he used to mock Brennan because Brennan at the time was telling everybody, I want to head my own agency.

I want to head my own agency.

And they finally put him in charge of this thing that was temporarily called the T-TIC, the Transnational Terrorism Information Center.

It later became the National Counterterrorism Center.

And they sort of shunted him off there.

And it was a nothing analytic organization, not even in the headquarters building.

It was one of the outlying buildings.

And then he kind of went away.

But where he really did write for himself

is in 2007, there was this wave of retirements, right?