John Kiriakou

So, I mean, some of it sounds comical now.

Um,

I would say to the Pakistani Lieutenant Colonel that I was working with on a daily basis, I'd say, you want to be the good cop today?

I'll be the bad cop.

Or you want to be the bad cop again?

I'll be the good cop.

And then we decide in advance.

Then I go in, you know, we start talking to these guys.

The first guy we captured, he was Jordanian and they bring him in.

He shackled at the ankles, shackled at the waist, and then they undo the waist shackle and they, they chain him to an eye bolt in the, in the table.

So you have to know the answers to all the questions that you're asking, right?

So I'm like, what's your name?

He tells me his name.

Where did you come from?

I came from Tora Bora.

What happened in Tora Bora?

The Americans began bombing us.

And then where did you go?

He said, I tried to escape.

So I went into a cave and then the Americans bombed the cave and the guy like had blood squirted out of his ears and he had brain damage and finally made it across the border.