John Kiriakou

And I said, contrition?

I'm not contrite.

I'm not apologizing.

I would do it again today if I had the opportunity.

I said, I'm not afraid of these people.

I took their best shot and I came out stronger on the other end.

And I said again, same thing that I said earlier.

I said, I am on the right side of history and they are not.

When their obituaries are written, the obituaries are going to say that they were war criminals.

You know what?

I did not struggle with that.

I'm glad that you brought it up because I think this is a very important point.

I did not have that internal struggle because it has been proven time and time again after years and years of research that torture simply doesn't work.

Now, there was a real reason why we were torturing, and that was revenge.

I understand that.

I disagree with it, but I understand.

But don't torture and then pretend that you're doing it because there's a ticking time bomb somewhere and you're trying to prevent the next attack.

You're not trying to prevent the next attack.

9-11 was the greatest intelligence failure in American history, far worse than the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.

And it was because the CIA was asleep at the switch.