John Kiriakou

And I have to admit tall or not.

I haven't met him in person, actually.

Only on Zoom.

That would surprise me.

Yeah, it's the exchange rate.

So I was on his show, and I was with Scott Horton, who's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met, and Alan Dershowitz, and Danny Ayalon, General Danny Ayalon.

Um, former, former Israeli general.

And when, there we are, there we are.

So, uh, so when you're on with Dershowitz, Dershowitz never shuts his mouth.

That's it.

That was what I was going to say.

Oh, no, that wasn't it.

No, it was about Hamas in Gaza.

And he asked me, because I had said the least on this episode, and he said, do you believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization?

And I said, yes, if the point was on October 7th was to attack civilians, the definition of terrorism –

is the act of using violence to instill terror in a civilian population.

So that's the definition of terrorism.

So yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization.

He said, do you believe October 7th was a terrorist attack?

And I said, yes.