John Lechner
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first heard Apr 2025
last heard Apr 2025
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In his unit only. In your unit. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that is also kind of important for people to realize is, you know, it's getting towards the evening.
and and and wagner they're feigning drills and then they attack right and uh the us is calling and they call three times over the deconfliction line to the russian ministry of defense and they say are these your guys and three times the ministry of defense says no and so as you know and and your buddies know uh that's when uh the us had the green light
to effectively defend themselves against this attack. And I think it's fair to say that the US defended itself in a way that would send a message as well. And the amount of air power that came in
And they did it. And you said, I mean, the U.S. brought in like two Apaches.
And Spectre gunship is?
Because the question is, right, why did the Russian Ministry of Defense deny that it was Russians who were attacking? And their... There is an argument, I think, to be made. Like, Prigozhin, his gamble in trying to take Conoco was that when the Americans saw that it was Russians coming, the Americans would want to avoid any direct confrontation, World War III.
And they would back away and retreat along with the Kurds. And he was incredibly mistaken in that calculation. And what I think he wasn't counting on and what Murad is saying is that when the Americans were calling into the Ministry of Defense, you have some poor guy on the line who is also not going to be responsible for World War III.
And so the quickest thing that you're going to do is not say, yeah, those are my guys attacking U.S. soldiers. They're going to say, don't know anything about it, don't know what you're talking about, and try to go to your higher-ups to cover your own butt.
And so ultimately it was probably, he probably got, Provozhin probably had kind of a wink and a nod from the Ministry of Defense that he was going to try to do this. And if it worked out, it's a great Russian victory for everybody, Assad, the Russians, Prigozhin. And if it doesn't, in the Ministry of Defense's mind, it's just Wagner guys who are getting killed.
Wow. No one. And you were responsible for counting the bodies, right? And reporting it.
Oh, so he was there for the ceremony of the burial. Ah, burial.
So eventually in the morning, the Ministry of Defense got in touch with the Americans and it was agreed, the Americans agreed to a two hour pause so that the Russians could collect weapons and dead.
But eventually they told the Americans, we need to go collect. So eventually they said there might be some Russians there, to the Americans.
Yeah, there's no denying it anymore.
And then the agreement was made that they have two hours to go back to the area to collect the dead.
One year. But this is when you left Wagner for Radut, right?
It only defended or did security for. It was a different PMC, but their only job as a PMC was to secure.
Static security.
work in Syria. But, I mean, after the Battle of Khashoggi, in which Murad participated, I mean, already by this point, we were talking about it earlier, Wagner is in Sudan by this point. By around the same time as the Battle of Khashoggi, they first start arriving in the Central African Republic, and then they're showing up in all sorts of places in Africa, Libya, and in Mali. And
Over there, Purgozhin is acting kind of independently, like we were talking about. But as the Battle of Khashoggi kind of showed, Purgozhin himself is not always on the same page as the Ministry of Defense and Minister of Defense Shoigu. And he's sort of a rock in their shoe very often. You have to imagine, here's this guy who
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