John O'Sullivan

And that's the other thing you'd say.

It's a brilliant day out.

It's great for both clubs.

And yeah, you just want them both to properly represent the talent that they have and produce a spectacle of which they can both be proud.

Obviously, there's only going to be one winner.

But on the day, you just want to see them both have a proper crack at it.

Yeah, oh no, absolutely.

I mean, you would be, if I was guessing, if you've got a day like today, nice sunny day, you could get with a walk-up crowd, people going along to see the final, you could get, you know, 12,000 to 15,000 people.

Yeah, I was, um, Scott being on a press conference for the team announcement.

So he was making the point that like it's well-documented and you wrote about it, you were there.

that Ireland started slowly gave themselves a bit of a mountain to climb weren't able to do that but I think they drew the second half 12 all so there were aspects of it that they improved as the game went on a little bit but they're looking for a better start and a quicker start I think he made the point that these aren't it's not like he's put all the names into a hat and drawn them out that the changes that he's made are to give people who when they came on uh

In the case of Nancy McGillivray and Ruth Campbell made a difference to the side.

Robin O'Connor's debut, it's her debut, sorry, 20-year-old from Wexford.

That's just an opportunity based on how well she trained during the week.

It's not a criticism in any way of Vicky Elms-Kinlan, who did some good things.

I think she stripped Ellie Kildon going over the line and there were one or two other positive moments from her.

So I think it's just...

And the other thing is that obviously if you look at how they've reconfigured the bench as well, there's been a few changes there.

as well so they're looking at a an impact from the bench like genuine impact from the bench so all things considered i suppose what you would say is scott beedman has rewarded players who made a difference when they came on at twickenham and then he's having a look at a slight rotation in terms of expanding the playing group uh through the first two games

So Batten itself is positive as well.