John Regalado

It seemed like you were trying to argue.

She was coming in with a bit.

But my interpretation of that bit is...

you know, the argument for veganism is sort of too precious.

Like if we over empathize or with anything, we can kind of find cause for concern.

And so she was sort of, you know, poking fun, like caring too much about animals' feelings is the same as caring about plants' feelings.

I'm curious, is that how it landed for you?

So if you actually cared about plants... So if somebody truly cares... And that's because animals eat the plants that we're raising?

Yeah, and I agree with you.

I don't think she actually cares about the plants.

If you rewind in your own life, because I assume you weren't raised vegan, so at some point this was a conscious decision.

Do you remember a time where caring about animal suffering felt kind of absurd to you?

Do you remember that mental construct?

What was that like and what broke that for you?

And if it's bad, it should be.

It was just the philosophical framing or the ethical framing itself.

Yeah.

No, in this episode more than others, I felt a lot of people were kind of...

playing jester with you um and we'll see some more clips come up but it there's just something really interesting about what this brings up and i wonder if it's also because like food is tied to emotion so much so like we all you know have memories i mean i i honestly one of the earliest memories i have is like my dad making bacon in the kitchen just because it's such a

The smell.