John Rich

It's a clean cut and it's this and that, and that is it.

That is it.

This is all in there, but Christians just can't seem to get their head wrapped around it to a large degree.

And I believe that stems from the churches in general just refuse to go there.

And so if you're a Christian watching this interview,

and you're starting to get keyed up about what I'm saying, good, I'm glad you're getting keyed up.

Why don't you pick up the Bible and read exactly what it says without your preacher, without your Bible group, without anybody, and just read what it says.

Yes.

Read what it says and go, wow, okay.

Read the examples that are laid out by the people God thought the most of.

Go read about Stephen.

who was stoned to death in the New Testament as Paul, who was then Saul, is holding the coats of the men who were stoning Stephen to death.

And not long after that, Paul had his road to Damascus event and then he went on and all these churches popped up and he wrote half the New Testament.

Nobody wants to get stoned to death.

Nobody wants to get shot in the throat with a 30-06, do they?

No, we do not want that as human beings.

We do not want that.

but it tells us to go forward, not backward, forward.

We don't retreat from the devil.

He is so weak and his people are so weak in the face of who God really is and who God's real people are, he has no chance at all to succeed.