John Safran

They were like, weren't you scared?

Weren't you scared?

And I'm like, oh, yeah, I do remember that really distinctly.

And what happened was –

I was there at the door of the Ku Klux Klan compound in – this was another adventure, by the way, dear listener and viewer.

And I was really scared because it was like I was about to walk in.

I could see, you know, this Klan guy there and he had these military guys there.

But do you know what I was really thinking is that I was thinking about my commissioning editor back at SBS who had given me the money –

to kind of come here and do this and I just can't chicken out.

I was scared of her.

I was scared of Debbie Lee, my commissioner of SBS and her sitting there in her little office in Sydney.

And, like, I just could not face the shame of going, oh, you know what, Debbie, after all of that, and after you gave the money to ask and not some other documentary people and, like, you're just kind of chickened out or whatever like that.

And that's what pushed me through the door because, yeah, I'm always more scared of that.

Yeah, more scared of Debbie Lee from SBS than the grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

It's kind of somewhere in the middle where like I totally am a version of myself and

But I think when I'm a version of myself, it's more like I kind of whittle off all these other layers of myself or dimensions to myself.

But it's just for the storytelling.

And like, for instance, I'm whiny like other people.

Like, why wouldn't I be whiny?

But I'm just kind of like...