John Siracusa

What do you think, Casey?

Without labor.

Right?

If you look at a Porsche sideways, it's thousands of dollars to leave your wallet.

It's worse than BMW.

BMW is bad.

Porsche is worse.

Porsche stuff is better than BMW, though.

I mean, they're both very expensive cars, just to be clear.

I think the Porsche is better made with better components and performs better, but it also costs twice as much to do anything.

I'm not sure I could say that.

I mean, maybe not the first gen because it was their first, but the second gen one, they're really good.

BMWs are fine and they're good, but maybe just from watching car rebuilding channels to see what's actually inside them.

Part of the reason staring at a Porsche and doing anything to it costs so much money is every single component is just...

Over-engineered?

Well-engineered?

I don't know.

Whereas BMW, there's some cost savings happening inside there.

They don't pass those on to you, but they're happening.

Anyway, I agree that BMW's drivetrains are really good.