Johnathon Claudius

Yeah, well, first, thanks for having me.

I'm happy to be here.

How we got here?

So asymmetric research is about two years old.

Before asymmetric research, Felix and I, my co-founder on the asymmetric research, we were both working at Jump at the time.

So we were working at a trading firm.

We were working...

basically to help a lot of their venture bets, really, in the ecosystem.

We were helping shape a lot of those in terms of, like, do they have a good holistic security program in place?

So basically transitioning from that space into kind of a commercial enterprise was a bit of a shift for us.

But basically moving into sort of a commercial enterprise, it basically allowed us to take that same strategy that we were deploying and sort of like the sort of the shepherding side of like the VC relationship into like how we commercialize asymmetric research.

And at the time, there were a lot of

There's a lot of product market fit for audit firms.

I think at least by the time we had started asymmetric research, it was table stakes.

No one's going to put money into these protocols and not expect to see some sort of audit artifact and be able to review the report.

So that was table stakes.

But what we realized was that there was a certain kind of buyer out there that wanted more.

And I think you probably also know this in your work is that you don't make security decisions

um in this convenient window right uh this convenient window when the audit's going on so for a lot of the engagements that we have it's really um it's an active conversation it's a daily process it's something that we do like going to the gym every day right it's we're constantly working on these programs and that's how our engagements are structured

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