Johnathon Claudius

I don't watch a lot of sports, but I played a lot of sports earlier in my life.

And I really love thinking about things as kind of like offense and defense.

Yes.

So basically what's happened is someone's tossed a huge ball of kind of like growing skill set into the middle of the room, right?

It's like the...

I don't know if you ever watched Hunger Games, but at the beginning of when they get they get imported into the cornucopia area, there's like all those tools and tools and weapons and knives and guns and all this stuff, right?

And there's kind of a mad dash to figure out who can understand those tools and make use of those tools for their specific initiative, right?

So like, on the offensive side, you have attackers that are going to go use this stuff for for bat, right?

And then on the defender side, you have

people who want to use this tool for good.

And yeah, I guess security always has been like that.

I've been in the industry for 20 years and it's always felt like a bit of an arm's room.

I think for a lot of folks thinking about the impact of LMS and agents in terms of like, how does that affect my security program?

That's something that we're thinking about quite deeply right now with clients.

And if you look at like a, just a little bit of alpha on the bug bounty side, we're seeing bug bounty programs get lots and lots of new submissions and they're high quality submissions.

So that's telling us that the capabilities of these sort of like LLM enabled or agent enabled, well, I say attackers, they're serving in a defensive capacity, but they could easily use that activity for bad uses.

Yes.

But I think in that case, it's a good signal that like capabilities are changing.

And I think for for on the offensive side, or also on the defensive side, but especially for founders, they need to be thinking about how can I take these tools and and mount a pretty good defense and you start seeing it at the edges, right?

You start seeing it in the bug bounty capabilities, but we're probably going to see it in a bunch of different layers in the program.