Johnathon Claudius

That I think we gain by being durably engaged over a long period of time.

So I think the different part is that we're really focusing on making sure that they have a good holistic story, like everything, right?

And no one wants to have the perfect smart contract, but lose on laptop security or something silly, right?

So I think that's just generally how we're thinking about it.

And I think that's where the, so the X factor kicks in for us.

Yeah, I think one that comes to mind that we were working on, it was last year now, we were working with the Interchain Foundation.

They had a DPRK, which is like a Korean hacking group.

They had one of the developers that was working on the project was associated with that entity.

Um, so being able to be proactive and we worked with the seal organization, which is the security Alliance, more of like a public goods organization that helps respond to incidents or helps find the right person that can help respond to incidents.

So in that particular case, we were able to work with them to like help root that out.

There's a public article on this that kind of shows the work that we did there.

But I think that's another good example of like, Hey, that, that probably wouldn't have been like a neatly scoped item.

And for, in their case, we were working in a more holistic capacity with them on that, but like for that particular client engagement.

So when that was learned and we had to respond, there's no paperwork or sort of SOW lag time to be able to engage durably and meaningfully and get in the room, start the war room and start working our way through it.

So I think that's the big difference for us is that there's someone available all the time.

And like I said, these security just is oftentimes very inconvenient in when you need it.

And we want to be in that position to be able to respond to clients when they need us.

Yeah, I think the big thing that builders and founders should be thinking about right now at this like very moment in time is probably the impact of LLMs in terms of that offensive defensive game.

Like I'm a big sports guy.

Like I don't,