Jon Gordon
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first heard May 2024
last heard 14 Jul
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Oh, totally. Like it was inspired by the idea that there's oneness and there's separateness and everything comes down to that. So when you feel one, you feel connected, you feel love, you feel power, joy, peace. A team that is united and connected is a powerful team. And then we have separateness, a team that feels divided, disconnected. There's a lot of jealousy. There's egos.
They have bitterness. That becomes a very weak team. And so individually, when you feel separate, you actually feel weak. When you feel one, you feel powerful. And once you see the world through this lens, everything makes so much more sense. And then really from there, you can actually become a Jedi in this world.
I was just talking to a major league baseball manager just now for an hour, sharing this with him. And as I'm sharing, he goes... God's amazing. He's like, you're sharing it at the individual level, the psychological level, you're sharing it at the team level. You're sharing at the organizational level. It applies to relationships.
Like you and your son, when you, when you're feeling connected and you're on the same page, you're powerful when you're arguing and not connected, man, it doesn't feel like you'd want to be together. And there's a lot of powerless feeling, you know, Having been a parent with my kids, we're on the same page and connected. It's awesome. When we're disconnected, it really stinks.
And so these were inspired thoughts that were coming to me all last summer. And I had the understanding of high state of mind, low state of mind, which is the first part of the book. There's actually three books in one, as you know, because you read it and thank you for reading it. There's book one, book two, book three, but it's all in one book.
So you could really say section one, but in book one, it's high state of mind. Low state of mind. This is the teaching that I shared all last summer with all the pro teams and college teams I was working with. Sharing this teaching. I didn't write the book yet, but I was teaching it. High state of mind, low state of mind, good friend of mine, Garrett Kramer, taught me that.
So I want to give him credit for that. But then I started to see how high state of mind and low state of mind had a lot to do with oneness and separateness. When you're one, you have a high state of mind and you're separate, you have a low state. I also started to realize how from the garden, the negative thoughts cause you to have a low state and bring you down. Think about negative thoughts.
Think about fear dividing. The root for the Greek word for anxious means to separate and divide. And so when you feel anxious, you feel separate. You feel divided. You feel weak. You feel powerless. So when I wrote The Garden, that was really a good understanding of how thoughts separate you. So I understood that.
Then it started to become clear each day I'm walking, Heather, and I'm getting these ideas and insights that are coming to me. And I'm going, oh my God, everything can be explained like this. What's integrity? I know you're big on integrity and that's a big word from a leadership perspective. It's essential for teamwork.
We did a podcast on that with myself and my coauthor, Alex, who we wrote the sale, which is all about integrity. It comes from the word integer, which means whole and complete. So a leader with integrity has wholeness and completeness. They have oneness. There's no gaps in their character. There's no gaps between who they are. and what they say and what they do.
There's alignment and that's integrity. So there's a lot of power in integrity, but there's a lot of weakness with a leader who has a big ego. You know any leaders with big egos out there, Heather? I know you probably know a ton and we know a ton.
The cool thing is as you're talking about this, it's like you read it and then right away you were able to actually come up with examples and think about leaders, examples from your own experience and knowing your past, knowing your experience, who your leader was, definitely narcissistic, definitely someone who was separate and then made you feel separate. So that's what I love about this book.
As people read it, they're going to be like a Jedi where they're going to be able to like see the world through a lens that actually makes sense. so much more sense. And they're going to be able to understand the world, understand situations, understand people. They're going to have clarity.
It's going to help them navigate what to do in those situations or what the other person is doing and why they're doing it. And this will give you a clear sense and also have so much more power in doing it. So that's what I love about I loved about writing it. I love when people are reading it and getting that.
Catherine, the other day, we were meeting with a college coach and the college coach was talking and Catherine had read the manuscript to help me out a little bit, to give me some thoughts. And she goes, oh, that's because you're looking outside instead of inside. She started giving some of the teachings to the college coach over dinner. of what she read. I go, oh, you read the book?
She goes, oh yeah, it's so clear. I'm like, yes, once you see it, it's so clear. And once you have that clarity, everything makes so much more sense. And so your narcissistic leader, a narcissist actually feels separate. And because they feel separate, they act alone. They go into self-preservation mode because they don't feel like they're part of anybody or any bigger connection.
And so they don't care about anyone else. Because they feel separate. They only care about themselves. And that's what makes them a narcissist. And they wind up separating themselves from others and making people feel less than as a result of that. But here's what's cool.
I wrote about in the book, as you know, at the neurological level, narcissists, because of their trauma, their painful experiences, what they've gone through, which makes them a narcissist, there's actually a a part of the brain where they cut off certain parts of the brain from others and they create separation even at the neurological level.
So the physical manifestation, the neurological manifestation is a result of the separateness that they actually feel. And because they feel powerless, they now have to have this sense of power, but it's actually very weak power. It seems powerful. It arises, so it seems powerful, but it's actually very weak because it's connected to self.
It's like that barking dog that seems powerful that's not powerful at all. So it seems like it is, but it's not connected to self. Instead, real power is connected to oneness, a greater power, connected to others, community, connected spiritually to God. We are meant to be connected to our creator, but the narcissist doesn't feel connected to a God or anything.
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