Jon Lee Anderson

Exactly.

I mean, Felix Rodriguez is still living there.

He's the guy who gave the order to the Bolivians to kill Che Guevara in Bolivia.

He was a CIA, you know, operative for a long, long time.

He also was involved in the Iran-Contra scandal.

He has never been tried for his crimes, nor did Posada Carriles, who was actually a terrorist, and Orlando Bosch, both of whom arguably were responsible for scores of deaths of people.

Exactly.

Exactly.

I mean, if you were a left wing Latin American in the Cold War years and a little bit after you went to Mexico City, you know, or you went to Spain, if you were going to stay in the West, you didn't come to Miami, you know.

So it's interesting.

It's interesting that Cuba is as bad as it is.

that people who were members of the repressive apparatus in Cuba's communist government have decided they could slip in unnoticed and maybe live out their lives and in the United States.

The point is, I think we're in now a post-ideological era, you know, in which Trump is on the right, but nobody in their hearts

believes that he has any real attachment to any political philosophy right communism clearly has failed in the hemisphere the cuban revolutionary dream is over but at the same time you know there's no loyalty to the past coming from this new set of leaders in the united states and this idea that

everybody's deportable if they're brown skinned or God forbid, black skinned and come from one of these countries to our south.

It's a real betrayal, I think, of, you know, even the most hackneyed principles of that in which we upheld America as a place of freedom, this kind of lighthouse for freedom and refugees.

It's that's over, too.

And so, you know what?

A lot of people go around talking about the American dream.

Well, what is the American dream?