Jonathan Badeen
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219 appearances
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard May 2025
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And if the other person's interested and or if they're good at it, they're going to be asking you a lot of questions. And at some point, you just really have to figure out like, wait, am I answering too many questions? I should probably be engaging the other person more too and learning.
Of course. Yeah. No, I think that's important. For me, that comes naturally. I'm somebody who just, you know, that's probably one of my own downfalls. I'm all too eager to share the same information that I'd ask somebody else.
Well, first off, it is a cool story, but that's the not quite as true story, which is, you know, I had the epiphany, some basically coming out of the shower, looking at a mirror that was all fogged up and wiping the mirror only to reveal my face. and thus the swipe was born. Um, sounds good. It sounds amazing. It sounds amazing.
I'm sure it's going to be in a movie or something at some point, but, um, it's, it's, uh, it's slightly based upon the real story, which was, I actually would not, I actually came up with it prior to Tinder and I came up with it for a, um, uh,
flashcards, educational flashcards app that I had been thinking about problems with it, and it really had to do with trying to solve very specific problems, like while you're trying to study for your flashcards while walking to class one-handed, eliminating buttons, and trying to indicate whether you got the card right or wrong, and all of those sorts of things. And I woke up one morning just
literally woke up, sat up in bed and was like, Oh my God, I got it. And I had been basically the swipe had been born for this flashcards app. And I was like, I've got to make this thing. You know, it's, this is the best way to make a flashcards app. Fast forward a few months though. And, um, and that's actually when I had met Sean, um, my co-founder, Sean Rad.
And, uh, we were showing each other our work. Um, and I had showed him the flashcards app and all. And then when we ended up making Tinder, um, We just ended up with an interface that was a stack of cards, and it was serendipitous, basically. I ended up throwing the swipe in there. I would never have come up with it for Tinder because I wasn't trying to solve those problems.
You have a big heart and an X button in there. didn't, you know, didn't need it. But it felt right to put it in there. And we didn't even tell people about it. We weren't trying to be sneaky or anything, really. It was just, it was like, if you figured it out, it's like figuring out, you know, command or control C on your keyboard instead of
clicking the copy button or something, you know, it's just a keyboard shortcut. And it was, so it was not, it wasn't some big thing that we were like, we're going to change the world with the swipe or whatever.
It was, and it was a few months later that we had a college student write in and he said something along the lines of that he and his buddies walking down the street or campus or something like that, that they would say swipe right and swipe left as code about the ladies passing by. Wow.
Yeah. And that was the moment where, to me, all of a sudden I was like, oh my God, we tapped into something. And it wasn't long after that where we actually did start including the swipe terminology in our marketing, in our Twitter accounts or Instagram and all of that sort of stuff. And so we started talking about it that way.
But that was really only in response from it sort of taking a life of its own.
So the shower moment didn't happen, but what kind of the shower where the shower did come in was this like, so I woke up with this epiphany and I go in, I go into the shower and I'm standing there in the shower, like going like, I'm like, does that work? Is that, you know, why hasn't anybody done this before? You know?
So, so I was like, it was, I was like basically thinking through it, you know, completely in the shower, but there was no fogged up mirror, you know, but.
I think it absolutely does. I mean, ultimately, that's the only way you're going to succeed unless you are strictly looking for hookups and can keep the lie going or something for a while. But ultimately, whatever facade that you put up, it's going to break down. So you might as well start off and get the people that, as you said, who are going to be more interesting to you and interested in you.
um but tinder in many ways was really built to try to to to drive authenticity um i you know i don't think people realize this today as much but you know some of the features that we originally did were including things like shared friends um that was sort of taken away from us at a certain point but um but that was a big thing and for sort of safety and you could essentially vet people but it was trying to show that authentic person
You didn't get to choose your name on there. You didn't get to choose the original version of Tinder. You couldn't even choose your photo. It was your Facebook photo. It was locked to that, trying to get that real photo that you share with your family and friends. It showed your shared interests with the person. Of course, today it's useless, but based upon Facebook interests.
You're not sitting there lying. These are the things that you liked on Facebook. You weren't doing it for the purpose of that. So I think that, that was really what we were trying to do. You know, of course people have other ideas a lot of the time, but, um, but that is where we were really going.
And cause we think it is, uh, we thought it was so important, uh, to sort of, to, to show an authentic side of oneself. Um, and you know, and people are going to see through it if it, if you're not, um, and it's going to, uh, At best, turn somebody off away to, at worst, make somebody think you're creepy and deceitful.
I have done that once. What did you do? Sharks in the Caribbean.
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