Jonathan Hirsch
speaker
1,168 appearances
9 recordings
3 series
first heard Nov 2024
last heard 5 Jun
Jonathan Hirsch’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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They were a little creeped out by the whole thing, but also curious.
They agreed to go check it out.
Men and women from all walks of life were gathered around to listen to Terri. Preppy academics, long-haired hippies, young, wide-eyed seekers, and seasoned spiritualists.
Wait, what?
Chrissy never forgot what she heard that night. It was over 40 years ago, and it's seared into her memory. How can someone's blood be evil? Why were these adults acting like that was a perfectly normal thing to be talking about? Chrissy could tell immediately something wasn't kosher about the whole thing.
Never went back to the house Dev shared with her mom, Sandra. For a sweet kid, Dev had to deal with some pretty heavy stuff. At her dad's, she had the stability of a big family, a two-parent household, but she still very much loved her mom.
Chrissy told me that love seemed directed towards somebody else.
And as time wore on, Terry roped Sandra more and more into her group, conscious development of body, mind, and soul. Terry wanted her to help make and sell her jewelry, made of precious and semi-precious stones that they believed to have special spiritual qualities. They would travel for days at a time, leaving Devereaux with the family nanny, Louise Watson.
Then Sandra invited Devereaux on the trip to Hawaii. It was a bit of a surprise. But here was a chance for mother and daughter to spend time together. Terry would be there too. But that didn't matter to Devereaux. Sandra had in fact paid for the trip as a honeymoon present for Terry and her third husband, Ben Johnson. The invite put Chuck and Gail in a tricky spot.
And here was Sandra doing what everyone noticed had been lacking, spending quality time with her daughter. And they might have been doing weird stuff in the living room and talking about blood, but Debra wasn't involved in any of that, right? She had no undue influence from Terry Hoffman, as far as anyone knew. Chuck and Gail told her it was okay to go.
It was the last time Gail ever saw that young girl. The one she raised and loved was her own.
That night, Dev showed up unannounced to the house. She boarded a plane with her mother, Sandra Cleaver, and Terry Hoffman to Hawaii. They'd be there for a week.
February 25th, 1979. The picnic by the beach at Wailupe Peninsula. It was clearly not a safe place to be swimming.
It's the kind of detail Gail has played over and over again in her mind. Why would Sandra choose to take Devereux swimming there unless she knew it was dangerous and did it anyway?
That long walk to the edge of the water, towards a senseless tragedy. A senseless tragedy the Cleaver family now believes was no accident. Lynn Fairchild had heard his fiancée Sandra's cries for help and alerted the fire department. Two people went out into the water that day, and only one returned. And then that night, with Devereaux missing, the phone rang at Chuck and Gail's house.
Gail answered, and a woman was on the other end of the line. It wasn't Sandra. It was Terry Hoffman.
She thought, why the hell was Terry Hoffman calling us? A long and terrible night of uncertainty followed. The next day, Chuck boarded the first plane to Hawaii in search of his daughter with his best friend, Jean Coker.
Before boarding the plane, they got the word. Dev's body washed ashore.
Chuck arrived at the hospital by that afternoon, where Sandra was recovering.
And so Chuck sat in the hospital room with his ex-wife. All of his worst fears confirmed about letting his daughter go with Sandra and her weird friends on a vacation halfway across the world. How did they get to this point? A happy young couple once, a beautiful daughter, to this?
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