Jonathan Hirsch
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first heard Nov 2024
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For a moment, it seemed, despite the cavernous depth separating Chuck and Sandra from each other, that they would be able to grieve together, father and mother. That is, until Terry showed up.
almost as if she couldn't show herself to her friend Terry in that moment. Couldn't appear to be the grieving mother she most certainly was. When Terry came in, she made some quick dismissive comments about their situation. Chuck's best friend Gene was there too. He said a glaze came over Sandy's eyes. Communication was shut down after that. There was something weighing on Chuck's mind.
A growing suspicion. A tangled mess of grief, fear, and rage.
His daughter's body in the cargo of the plane and a nine-hour flight to think about what had happened to her. Chuck knew he didn't have all the information yet, but something wasn't right. He'd questioned why the trip was happening in the first place. And now this, why did they choose to swim out there? And why had Sandra acted so strange when Terry came into the hospital room?
Dev's body was transferred to the medical examiner in Dallas. The tox screen came up negative. An autopsy showed no sign of struggle. Nothing strange. If someone had had a hand in Devereaux's death, it wasn't physical. She was then transported to a funeral home. Chuck wanted the girls to have closure, so he brought them all there to view Dev's body before she was cremated.
Gail remembers seeing her face like it was yesterday. There was still seaweed in her hair. But something altogether strange had happened while Chuck and Jean were in flight back to Honolulu. Gail got a call to the house. It was one of Terry Hoffman's children. They said they had a document they needed to show the family. A will. Devereaux's will.
A will that she had written that Chuck didn't know anything about. A couple of days after they'd been informed of the will, an unidentified woman entered a Dallas bank where Devereux had an account and handed the teller the document. The woman was looking to make a withdrawal from the account because, according to the will, this dead girl had given all of her money away to Terry Hoffman.
Now Chuck and Gail knew there was no doubt in their minds what had happened to their daughter. And there was nothing they could do about it. Why do you think it was so difficult to tie Terry to these deaths?
This season on Scary Terry.
I go searching for answers.
A dozen people are dead.
Was Terry Hoffman the Charlie Manson you've never heard of?
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Search for The Binge on Apple Podcasts and hit subscribe at the top of the page. Not on Apple? Head to getthebinge.com to get access wherever you listen. Scary Terry is an original production of Sony Music Entertainment. It was hosted and reported by me, Jonathan Hirsch. Cooper Maul is our lead producer and co-reported the series with me. Catherine St. Louis is our story editor.
I'm our executive producer. Sound design and mixing by Scott Somerville. We use music from APM. Our associate producer is Zoe Kolkin. Our fact checker is Tracy Lee. Our production managers are Tamika Balans-Galazny and Sammy Allison. Our lawyers are Rachel Goldberg and Lauren Pagoni. Special thanks to Steve Ackerman, Emily Rosick, and Jamie Myers.
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Devereux Cleaver left behind a grieving family, but she also left behind a will that she'd written herself in her own handwriting. She was 13 years old when she apparently decided it was time to write her last will and testament.
Terry Johnson. Otherwise known as Terry Hoffman. Sandra's friend. Terry Hoffman. And here's what's strange. The document was dated August 1978, six months before she died. The will indicated who would get Dev's basketball, her rock collection, but also the family trust.
That was a lot of money back then. Almost a million bucks today. How the hell in all the 171 million acres of Texas does a teenager find themselves compelled to sign a will? And why Terry Hoffman? Both Chrissy and Gail believe that she created the will because her mom wanted her to. But I wonder if it's more complicated than that. What if Sandra didn't walk unwittingly into the water?
Maybe she knew a swim on the peninsula that day was a death sentence. The question of why she'd signed a will was unanswered, incomplete. like an unsigned check she'd left on the kitchen table. Turns out that will didn't really hold up.
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