Jonathan Metzl
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 12 Apr
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Thanks so much.
It's great to be here.
I've been researching this phenomenon for about 15 years now.
I'm speaking to you from Tennessee this morning.
I've done a lot of work in rural Tennessee, in rural Kentucky, in Missouri, where I'm from, and Kansas, where I partially grew up, and talking to people who seemingly voted against their own interests.
I've interviewed people who vote against
the Affordable Care Act because it would give them free government healthcare.
I've interviewed people who voted for politicians who are defunding the schools that their own kids go to.
My research doesn't really find that people are crazed or irrational.
I think that
no surprise to probably many of your listeners, people are voting out of fear.
Politicians are telling them, if you don't vote for me, no one will protect you, that other people are out to take what's yours.
Conditions of austerity, people feel like there are limited resources and they're in a tribal fight
against other groups for resources.
And so I've kind of seen the whole spectrum of this.
And it's been fascinating of my research because the extent to which people will go to vote for those politicians.
I mean, in Dying of Whiteness, I interviewed people who were literally dying of medical conditions that would have been covered by the Affordable Care Act had their politicians supported the Affordable Care Act, but they were not willing to go there.
So partially this is about voting and partially it's about identity.
And I can just say it's very deep.
I mean, partially.
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