Jonathan Swan

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362 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 15 Jul

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Fresh Air · Gold, secrets, never-ending meetings: Inside the Trump White House · 15 Jul 2026 podcast

One of my colleagues had a story about how he's running Venezuela from Washington.

That's how they view it.

They view this new leader, Delcy Rodriguez, as essentially a governor of an American oil field.

That's how they view Venezuela.

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Well, he's basically in sort of provocateur trolling mode.

It's the first time and so far the only time in this administration where he's in the room with all four leaders, the Democratic leaders in the House and Senate and the Republican leaders.

And the conversation is, as most conversations with Trump go, not linear.

It's not really focused on what would actually be required to get a compromise or a deal.

Instead, he's throwing things out there like, why don't we just get better health care?

Why don't we just come up with a whole new health care system?

And so the Republicans sort of have to gently steer him around that.

And then there's this moment partway through the meeting where Trump gets one of his aides to bring out –

There's a room off the Oval, which Trump has essentially turned into a sort of gift shop or sort of merchandise type shop where you've got MAGA caps and all kinds of other trinkets.

And the aid brings back these caps that say Trump 2028, which is Trump's.

troll, but there's this sort of, is he trolling?

Isn't he about running for an unconstitutional third term?

And he puts the caps on the table so that the photographer, the White House photographer can photograph Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, the two democratic leaders with a Trump 2028 hat in the foreground.

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