Jonathan Swan
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 15 Jul
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Fresh Air · Gold, secrets, never-ending meetings: Inside the Trump White House · 15 Jul 2026
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It said Donald Trump is the most powerful man who's ever existed.
And he said, and it compares him to what Trump described to us as the top 10.
And it was figures like Mao, Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Putin.
Alexander the Great, William the Conqueror, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, the Caesars, you know, you get the idea.
And nothing to do with morality, all just about pure power projection.
And Trump was relishing being in their company.
He was sitting back in his chair and he was reading out the names.
Napoleon, isn't this interesting?
You know, they wielded power by fear.
And Maggie and I talked about it afterwards, and it really occurred to us that when you look at it through that lens, his second term makes a lot more sense.
Why is he willing to take these huge risks?
Why is he willing to send America back into a Middle Eastern war?
Why is he willing to send Delta Force into Caracas to snatch a foreign leader, Maduro, out of his bedroom?
Well, if your goal is to be a capital G great man of history...
then it's worth taking the risk of, you know, potential disaster, but then potentially you're the first American president in 47 years to finally deal with the Islamic Republic, this malign regime in Iran.
And so you start to see the puzzle kind of fit together.
That's absolutely a big part of his mindset.
He really does want to, you know,
There's all this sort of talk of, oh, is he trolling when he says Venezuela is a 51st state?
No, he means that quite literally.
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