Jonathan Swan

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362 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 15 Jul

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And then he did it, and the dire scenarios didn't play out.

He was warned against withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accord.

He did it, and in his view, it was just fine.

He was warned against pulling out of Obama's nuclear deal, and he did it, and it was just fine, in his view.

He killed Qasem Soleimani, the top Iranian general.

Some people thought that was a bad idea and that it would cause absolute chaos.

And in his view, it didn't play out that way.

So in one sense, it's a story of moral hazard.

You take big risks and there aren't consequences.

And that just keeps building.

It's actually kind of the story, a through line of Donald Trump's life.

But his mindset in the second term is so different from the first term.

In the first term, he was very reactive to domestic politics and

This time around, it's not that he doesn't care at all about those things.

He certainly does.

But he cares far less.

And this was sort of brought home to us very starkly when we sat down with the president in March.

And Maggie and I asked him about his power.

And he handed us two sheets of paper, which he said was written by a historian.

And

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