Jonathan Swan

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362 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 15 Jul

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Fresh Air · Gold, secrets, never-ending meetings: Inside the Trump White House · 15 Jul 2026 podcast

This is my 11th year of covering him.

I can't remember a time, maybe COVID,

But aside from COVID, I can't remember a time where Trump looked as stuck as he looks right now, just doesn't seem to know how to get out of this war and is caught between bad options.

You know, one of the big themes in our book is hubris.

And I think to some extent, every American president

overestimates their own power to affect events.

But I think we saw a very extreme version of that with this war.

When Maggie and I sat down with the president about two weeks into the war, he was boasting about the Venezuela operation.

where they seized Maduro, and he described it as a one-hour war.

And it was just so clear that he had developed this admiration for the American military, which is understandable.

They'd pulled off this Delta Force.

I mean, there's nothing the American military does better than these special operator-led raids.

But Iran was so different.

And he was told that...

And yet he still felt that he knew better.

I think it explains it to a very large extent.

In the first term, he took some risks internationally, no question.

I mean, they seem so quaint now, but I remember he was warned, don't move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

You know, that would be a disaster.

The Middle East would be up in flames.

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