Jonathan Swan

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362 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 15 Jul

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Fresh Air · Gold, secrets, never-ending meetings: Inside the Trump White House · 15 Jul 2026 podcast

And what often ends up happening is,

It's essentially one meeting that just rolls throughout the afternoon with different people joining and leaving and Trump, you know, engaged or not engaged.

People who have no business being in the meeting sometimes joining, whether it's a pro wrestler or a crypto investor or a foreign, you know, somebody from a golf monarchy or, you know, a CEO.

And so all of this is happening.

The conversations are nonlinear.

You know, Trump will get fascinated about one thing that has nothing to do with the topic and that can derail a meeting.

We have a scene in the book where he's having a conversation, a very small meeting, which is highly classified about a defense program.

And this guy comes in, just walks in to the Oval, you know, soul of the earth kind of country looking guy.

And he's holding stone samples of,

for the Rose Garden because Trump was planning to pave over...

The Rose Garden.

And he just comes in and Trump gets up from his seat and the two go off and sort of start conferring, looking out the window, talking about the paving and the stone and this and that, gets on the phone with another contractor.

And before you know it, time's up.

You know, the meeting's ended.

They haven't actually resolved the issue they were going to resolve.

So that's a dynamic.

But again, like most things with Trump, it's not so simple.

Because if I just told you that, you would think, okay, well, this thing is loose and chaotic and leaky and everyone knows everything.

It's actually the opposite.

When there are issues that Trump really cares about or his team wants to keep secret, they can be incredibly secretive.

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