Jonathan Swan

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362 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 15 Jul

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Fresh Air · Gold, secrets, never-ending meetings: Inside the Trump White House · 15 Jul 2026 podcast

And I think that when you're interviewing a president of the United States, you want to find the balance between letting them explain themselves and not cutting in every two seconds, but finding moments that are really important to puncture the bubble.

Trump creates...

an unreality bubble.

It's the way he operates.

It's very powerful.

Tucker Carlson actually described it publicly as like being under a spell.

And I certainly wouldn't ascribe a supernatural dimension to it, but I know what he's getting at.

Trump will say,

We have won the war in Iran.

They're begging us.

They're on their knees calling about stuff that's just manifestly false.

And you have to sort of make a decision if you're one of his advisors.

Do I just nod along with it or do I push back and whatever?

And at some point, you just have to let it wash over you.

Your job in an interview is to puncture that unreality bubble.

but you can't do it every sentence.

So it's more of an art than a science.

And what I try to do in that interview is hold him accountable, but also let him explain himself at the same time.

So I admired Maggie as a reporter when I competed against her.

She would just break stories almost every day about Trump during the first term, just a completely relentless, well-sourced reporter.

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