Jonathan Swan

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362 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 15 Jul

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Fresh Air · Gold, secrets, never-ending meetings: Inside the Trump White House · 15 Jul 2026 podcast

And we were friends, even though we were competitors.

When I joined the New York Times in January of 2023 and I got to actually work with her,

I was more impressed.

Often when you see someone up close, it's kind of disappointing.

You know, you've admired them from far, then you take a close look and you sort of think, oh, okay, this person's kind of a fraud.

It was the exact opposite.

I was much more impressed once I had worked closely with her and I understood how vast her sourcing networks are.

how relentless she is as a reporter.

And we just very quickly formed a very natural reporting partnership, very complimentary.

We're in a rhythm now where it's hard to even articulate.

It's like we almost share a brain.

And one of the reasons the book was really hard was because you are making hundreds and thousands of those judgment calls, you know,

It's not like one person can just unilaterally say, well, this is how it is.

It's good that we both know how each other think enough at this point that we tend to land in the same place.

We also sometimes have disagreements and we talk those out and, you know, one person is more persuasive than the other.

But I can tell you one thing.

I could not do a book on this compressed timeframe, this difficulty, on my own.

And I don't want to speak for Maggie, but I don't think she could either.

And it was only with this combination that we could produce what we've produced.

Well, I think it's hard to convey this to someone who's not a journalist, but for anyone who understands what it requires to render a scene inside a room when you weren't in the room and then add the level of difficulty that these are some of the most guarded rooms in the world, the Oval Office and the White House Situation Room, and then you add the second layer of difficulty, which is that these are, in many cases, sensitive conversations that are not...

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