Jonathan Swan

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222 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 19 Jul

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The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 198. How Trump’s Imperial Presidency Really Works · 19 Jul 2026 podcast

The two people would have to manage the fallout from the biggest global energy shock in history.

They just learn about this, you know, the day of.

Stephen Miller immediately saw that this was an opening to crush the left.

Can I give you an obnoxious answer?

It's down to us.

I'm telling you that because every Trump book in the last three years has sold like 10,000 copies.

So we must be doing something right.

We actually had been told by many people that the nonfiction market was dead, that everyone was exhausted by Trump.

I was very bearish about this book.

uh actually commercially i thought it was the best work we'd ever done journalistically um but commercially i was very bearish because all the signs in the market were that people were just not reading this stuff anymore um so we must have done something right i was just saying to maggie before you came on jonathan i have both listened to the book and read the book uh in in in this form and it's a very different experience i found reading it

So you have these rolling meetings that are sort of one meeting, really.

There's no delineation between them.

So the Oval Office is the epicentre meeting.

If you're not in the room, you just don't even know about the decision.

Like the notion of an orderly interagency process where you have a proper National Security Council process of all the voices, everyone developing an idea.

Like the George W. Bush administration, very much consensus building up.

You know this from your time in government.

you know, Bush wanted to have everyone agreeing and then it was presented to him and he was the decider.

This is the precise opposite.

It's Trump in the room with a few people, five, six, seven people.

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