Jonathan Swan

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The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 198. How Trump’s Imperial Presidency Really Works · 19 Jul 2026 podcast

Sometimes you have these like guests kind of rolling in and it can be almost farcical.

We have a scene in the book where they're discussing a highly classified defense program and this sort of salt of the earth looking country kind of guy strolls in with stone samples and

And he says, you know, I've got these stone samples for the Rose Garden that Trump was wanting to pave over.

And Trump immediately gets up off his chair and goes off and they're looking out the window.

He's on the phone.

You know, meanwhile, they run out of time.

The meeting ends.

So you have all this stuff.

And, you know, it is chaotic.

Let's just be real.

It is chaotic.

At the same time.

When there are certain issues when they really want to keep a secret, they're very, very secretive.

So the lead up to the Iran war is a very good example, which we document in this book.

It was so secretive that the Treasury Secretary and the Energy Secretary, they weren't in the room.

They were not involved in any of the planning meetings.

The two people would have to manage the fallout from the biggest global energy shock in history.

They just learn about this, you know, the day of basically.

So it's both.

And it's also not total chaos because you also have people like Stephen Miller who had a long range plan in the interregnum period.

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