Jonathan Swan

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222 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 19 Jul

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The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 198. How Trump’s Imperial Presidency Really Works · 19 Jul 2026 podcast

And his team, people like Stephen Miller, had four years to really think through how they would do things differently.

He had four years to think through, who would I bring in that's different?

And when he came back in, the way they're governing, I mean, Maggie and I covered the first term.

It's not recognisable.

Every aspect of it.

His character is the same, but the way he's using the office and the way he's thinking about the office is completely different, and the team is just radically different.

So, yeah, I mean, I just don't think it's a disputable premise.

I would say two things.

One is that, as I'm sure you've gathered, Alistair, the group of people around Trump, including Donald Trump, have...

utter contempt for Europe.

Deep contempt for Europe.

They view Europe as a civilization in decline.

They view Britain as weak, ungovernable.

fragmented, almost pathetic.

You hear, depending on who you talk to, I don't want to universalize this.

There are some who don't have quite the strong views, but there's this conversation that's constantly happening whenever I talk to diplomats.

What's the best way to deal with Trump?

You know, it's this cliched, tiresome conversation.

And the correct answer is the best way to deal with Trump is basically you need to have the power of China and then you can tell him to fuck off.

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