Jonathan V. Last

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2,498 appearances 12 recordings 1 series first heard Dec 2024 last heard 3d ago

Jonathan V. Last’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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Recordings per month over the last 12 months — 7 in all, peaking in Jul 2026 with 3.

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The Bulwark Daily · Jonathan V. Last and Robert Kagan: Marco and Miller Go Full Fascist · 29 Jul 2026 podcast

I am joined today by a very, very good and old friend of mine, Bob Kagan from The Atlantic. voice-verified

Bob, it is good to see your face again, my friend. voice-verified

That's very kind of you. voice-verified

So we have a lot of big think stuff to do today because that's what Bob Kagan is here for. voice-verified

We're going to talk about fascism coming to America and an amazing, amazing event that happened last week where members of the administration gave a talk about the dangers of political violence. voice-verified

Wow. voice-verified

But first, we got to do some news of the day. voice-verified

Bob, you and I were talking in the green room a moment ago. voice-verified

Today, Anthony Fauci was up on Capitol Hill testifying before the Senate. voice-verified

And this was something that you have basically zero opinion on, correct? voice-verified

So I wanted to bring up Fauci only to recapitulate something that my colleague Andrew Agra wrote some years ago, which struck me as exactly correct. voice-verified

Part of the problem with where we live today is that we live in this place with these intense asymmetries. voice-verified

And one of the asymmetries is that a figure like Anthony Fauci voice-verified

is judged by the least true thing he ever said once, regardless of the circumstances around it. voice-verified

And so if Anthony Fauci said in the, you know, day 10 of the pandemic, we're not sure if this was airborne or not. voice-verified

It turns out that COVID is in fact airborne. voice-verified

Then it's, well, can you believe this guy, right? voice-verified

And the thing people harp on with Fauci is, voice-verified

The very lawyerly claim he made early on when he told people that respirators and masks were not necessary right now. voice-verified

And this was a piece of highly lawyered misdirection meant to try to preserve the stocks of masks early in the pandemic to use them for health care workers when it was highly localized in the Northeast. voice-verified

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