Jonny Holland

He hasn't made no attempt to roll away.

That's one to show James, look, we can't afford to give that away in a final.

So yeah, there is a true penalty count that you've got to tot up for a whole host of reasons, for player education alone.

I really got the impression they didn't really do much homework on Luke Pearce because he is red hot in around those areas.

Also, when you go for a jackal on the ball, you actually have to take it.

He doesn't actually give it.

So I think Josh, just before one of their tries in the first half, he has two hands on the ball, but he doesn't actually make an attempt to pull the ball away, to reef it off the ground.

So he's actually...

Like, it looks like a penalty, and I know a lot of people on social media are saying it's definitely a penalty, but unless he actually pulls, but he will get that from nine times out of 10 from other referees, but you're not going to get it against that particular referee.

Yeah, they're going to be better organised and like Toulon's attempt to exit or to move the ball at that stage, Leinster just filled the field.

They played one in the backfield, 12 people across the line and they just really...

They were a bit clueless into what they were doing, you know, against that huge line speed.

Then they had these kind of half-arsed box kicks that didn't really go anywhere.

They did get one of them back and then lost the other.

And then Leinster just clicked into this mode of, we're just going to carry and carry hard.

And Toulon had no answer for it, really.

Yeah.

I've listened to it a few times and I can't actually work out whether Leo has got really thin skin all of a sudden which he never had as a player or never had in his early days as coaching because he's normally a very level headed thick skinned it's water off a duck's back sort of coach ah

And then I'm going, well, did he, is this just a deflection tactic to get everyone talking about this?

Because this is what we're talking about now.