Joseph Cox
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591 appearances
4 recordings
3 series
first heard Jun 2024
last heard 28 Jan
Joseph Cox’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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And of course, I'm not actually giving advice to criminals.
I'm doing this because if I was just an ordinary user looking for the most secure phone solution, it would also probably be something like that.
Hey, Joseph, how are you doing over there? All good, all good. A little bit of a sore throat from talking constantly. I'm going to get so sick of my voice.
Kind of close, actually, weirdly. I've carved a niche in my journalism career by speaking to criminals, essentially. And that could be drug traffickers. It could be cyber criminals, hackers especially. And I was always interested where we would read press releases about hacking operations or law enforcement campaigns. And you would never hear from the other side.
So I made a habit of, I want to go talk to the people with hands on keyboards, is what I say. I want to talk to the hackers. I want to talk to the people using strange technology. So I've, for years, approached it from the crime side of things. And they'll talk to you some of the time, at least.
Yeah, I think when you meet people sort of where they are, of course, for war reporting, that would be actually going to the scene of the conflict. For me, that's like downloading the very particular weird apps that these criminals use. They respect you jumping through those hoops.
It sells encrypted phones that are so secure, even Australia's electronic spy agency can't crack their code.
So the Australian media actually showed one of the adverts from Phantom Secure. And there's a guy in a dress shirt doing his tie. There's a limousine with blacked out windows.
The company's clients appear to be international men of mystery involved in high-powered business deals.
This phone is actually for serious organized criminals, such as members of biker gangs who may assassinate one another, or even members of the Sinaloa drug cartel. They're not your normal business executives. A lot of serious organized criminal activity in Australia is controlled by the motorcycle gangs.
So you have the Comacheros, you have the Banditos, the Hells Angels as well, and they're all in a melting pot with their different motivations, different territory.
And in some cases, phantom secure phones were used to plan the hits between these rival groups.
Phantom secure promised to keep criminals' messages outside of the reach of law enforcement. You didn't have to trust an ordinary mobile phone anymore. You could buy phantom secure, and you could continue with your drug trafficking without the cops coming and arresting you.
Anom presented itself as the next generation of encrypted phone, something like the Royals Royce of the industry. So even though it was highly secure with encrypted messaging, it also included a bunch of sort of Additional features will make it look more like an ordinary phone and security benefits as well.
So you would open up the phone and to get to the Anom messaging application itself, you'd actually have to go through the calculator app. You had to type in two times two and press equals. The calculator would fade away and then the Anom app would reveal itself. Oh, that's cool. Which is a very cool little gadget. You know, I wish I could do that on my normal phone.
It then had all of this other stuff, like you could send scrambled voice memos. So even if the cops managed to intercept it, the voice would be all garbled and they wouldn't be able to tell who was actually talking. You could also redact images. So if somebody's face was in there, you could then blur it. And again, the cops get the image. They're actually not going to know who's in there.
And probably most importantly, it had this really powerful wipe system where if the phone fell into the wrong hands, you know, maybe a border cop seized it or another law enforcement official got hold of it, you could tell a NOM, hey, quick, my phone is in the hands of the cops, please wipe the device. And they would do that. And it would remove all data from the phone. Of course, you know,
iCloud and Apple, they have something similar. But you don't go to Apple and be like, hey, my phone's in the hands of the cops. Tim Cook isn't going to do that, as far as I know.
It had all of these bells and whistles, which, while still being secure, showed that, hey, we don't have to have these sort of like sluggish cameras cumbersome encrypted phones anymore. We can have the phone of the 2020s with all of the cool features while still catering to our criminal clientele. Got it.
Yeah, exactly. It brings them well into the 2020s, and criminals can now send, you know, their sunglasses emojis or their heart emojis while they're doing their multi-ton shipments of cocaine.
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