Joseph Cox

And it's something like $5 million for a full iOS end-to-end chain, which is break into the phone and get the data and extract it.

That's a lot of money, but I don't know, FBI, just get more money or something.

I don't know, just figure it out.

And of course, that's kind of easy for me to say, but I would take that over.

Well, now we have a turnkey solution where we could just read all messages all the time.

And again, I'm not saying they've done that.

I'm not even saying they would do that, but I know...

the FBI is looking for the next iteration of this operation because they've said so as much.

Like I've heard from the agents and they say they're looking forward to whatever the next version of the Anom operation is.

I mean, I would probably use a Graphene OS phone, which is a custom security-focused fork of Android, but is not one of these like shady companies you go buy it from.

It's like an open source project that's made by security researchers and that sort of thing.

And you download it and you install it for your web browser.

I've done it.

It's really cool.

It takes 30 seconds or a couple of minutes.

I would do that.

I would then use an app like Signal.

And of course, I'm not actually giving advice to criminals.

I'm doing this because if I was just an ordinary user looking for the most secure phone solution, it would also probably be something like that.

Hey, Joseph, how are you doing over there? All good, all good. A little bit of a sore throat from talking constantly. I'm going to get so sick of my voice.