Josh van Cuylenburg

Are you saying that?

That's kind of like that kind of ethical question of pulling the lever on the train.

Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like that, yeah.

Yeah, have you heard that?

No, I haven't.

It's like a train, tell me if I'm getting this wrong, Joel, but a train going down a track and it's sort of facing like a split in the tracks.

And if it keeps going on the track it's on, it will kill five people.

who are on the track.

So we'll kill five people.

But then if there's a lever that if you pull it, it will set the trainer a different track and kill only one person.

And so the question is, is like, do you pull the lever?

Do you actively kill one person?

Yeah.

Or do you just like, and that's kind of like this, it's like if we're able to.

I mean, in terms of choosing who keeps their jobs and who doesn't, in terms of it makes...

it makes downsizing, I guess, a lot, people feel a lot less guilty if it's technically not up to them.

If the AI can decide, well, those people go, these people stay.

It's like, well, it wasn't up to me.

No.

It was the Cuban Missile Crisis.