Josh van Cuylenburg

which is also probably a good thing to reacquaint ourselves with because it sounds like what you're really talking about is the acceptance of this and sort of walking alongside it and finding the best way to walk alongside it and embrace it and practice uncertainty more.

Yeah.

Yeah.

this is a kind of strange hypothetical.

It's sort of an unhelpful question in some ways, but I am interested to know what your answer.

If you had a time machine and can go back,

before the the the godfather of ai came up with the concept of ai and i'm speaking very simplistically but i guess the question is if you had a magic if you had a wish and a genie came would you do you think we're better off with what's going on now or would we better be better off without it completely

you wouldn't change it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think, I mean, there's some hope in that, even though there's like, it's going to be a rough road to get there, but we just have to assume that on the other side of the mountain, it's great.

No, but that is helpful.

If we knew a tsunami was coming, if we knew that beyond a shadow of a doubt, we would be putting things in place to prepare to be at higher ground.

In 2019, Reuben Williams made a decision to pursue justice.

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In 2019, Reuben Williams made a decision to pursue justice.

Gee, straight into it.

Yeah, that's what you told me to do.

Straight in.

I usually do a bio when they come over.