Juan Andres Guerrero Saade (JAGS)

And then, you know, Stuxnet is discovered and you realize not only has this been happening,

and at a scale and capacity way above anything we'd ever found before.

But it's been happening for years.

So the operators are hearing that these things are like making these weird noises.

They're spinning up.

They sound like it sounds like things aren't going well in this room next door.

But I'm looking at the computer and the computer tells me everything's normal.

Clearly, we didn't even know about all the different things they were doing.

There is no public guide to solving it.

If it's going to figure it out, it's going to have to figure it out just in this little sandbox with a few tools and go, all right, kid, what can you do?

I, being put in that position, would have said, cool, let's go make the AI sweat.

And Vitaly being a much more patient Zen master style dude, he said, well, if I'm going to know if it's doing well, I need to know what this thing does.

And Vitaly spent like two weeks in a black dark hole somewhere, not answering messages, nothing.

I was like, is this guy okay?

Like what happened to Vitaly?

And all of a sudden I get a message from Vitaly super late, I guess for him.

He's like, look, I need you to test me here.

But like all the models at least agree with me.

So I now need to talk to a human being.

This is Stuxnet like.