Judd Apatow

Yeah.

I think on some level, especially like with trying to meet comedians, I was trying to figure out, is there a way to penetrate that bubble?

Like, can that become real?

You know, you see them on TV and people are so funny or they're great actors or actresses, but...

Can I meet them?

And if I can meet them, then maybe it's a real enough world for me to enter at some point.

Well, my grandmother was friends with this comedian named Toadie Fields, and she was –

You know, in that world of Joan Rivers type of self-deprecating female comedian.

And she was so funny.

And my grandparents talked about her like she was the coolest person in the world.

And I knew her since I was born.

And occasionally we would go see her.

And I think on some level I saw her.

Mm-hmm.

and thought, wow, she's a different kind of person, and she's getting standing ovations and people love her.

It must have planted a seed at a time that I don't even remember.

Like, that would be a cool thing to be able to do.

Yeah.

And someone who could talk about what was weird about themselves and how they saw the world and be rewarded for it, to be embraced for discussing your imperfections.

Well, you know, I was a little kid, and I used to always ask my grandmother to drive by his house because we knew which house he lived in.