Julia Shaw

He was under attack and he needed her to pay for some things.

He needed her to pay for some flights until she ran out of money.

And then she realized that this all was a big fraud.

This was a love scam.

So the reason that we spoke with her is partly to show how it can happen.

And I think it's really important to remind people that this is something everybody is capable of believing.

Fraud works because people know what we want to hear and they tell us the things we want to hear.

And so I think all of us, there's a tailored version of fraud that could appeal to basically everybody if they have enough information about you.

Yeah, because you're playing with people's emotions and you know that they're vulnerable in that way.

And most people want to be loved and want to love.

And so it's a really manipulative way in.

And I think it's really horrible.

But it's also something that we all love.

Almost underestimate.

So we think, I would identify fraud.

I would know if someone's trying to scam me of money until it happens to us.

And then we go, oh, wait, that did just happen.

And then we get really embarrassed.

And so I think talking about it is really important and seeing it as not the thing that happens to dumb people.

Because that is sometimes how it's framed.