Julie Zhuo
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708 appearances
2 recordings
2 series
first heard Sep 2025
last heard 25 May
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So I think the most important quality of being a great manager is, like, do we have a good understanding of what the role entails?
And is that something that's interesting to us?
Because I know that when I first started managing, for many years, I almost thought about management as a series of tasks or jobs, per se, right?
Like, oh, the manager hires people.
The manager fires people, they figure out who gets promoted, they have meetings, they do one-on-ones and tell people what they're doing wrong.
Like these are, these are my mental models of like the activities or the tasks of a manager.
But I realized like all of them are actually just a means to the end and the end, which is the true goal of what we're asking people to do when we ask them to be managers is to get better outcomes.
from a group of people working together.
And the outcome has to be contextual to why are these people together?
If I were a superintendent for a district, the outcome is better education for children.
If I run a hospital, it's about saving lives.
If I work in software, it's about building products that solve a problem for people that get used frequently and are valued.
But we have to first understand the problem
And then we have to understand, okay, so there's a group of people and this is the outcome.
So my job as a manager is how do I get that group of people to do either better work, higher quality work, or faster work, because that's what's going to help us get to that outcome better.
And I think as a manager, this is just the most important thing.
And if that's not what really you care about, like maybe there's a, you know, I know that for some people, right, and that you can be like,
somebody who loves doing an activity and maybe the craft of that activity.
And that's what you're drawn to.
And you wake up every day and you want to get better at heart surgery or you want to get better at actually educating students or you want to get better at painting or design.
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