Justin Jackson

WebDevCody. I don't really know him, I guess. Then there's, like, DHH hopping in and being like, Ha ha, told you, complexity sucks.

It's been a lot of Twitter drama.

It's been a lot of Twitter drama.

It keeps coming up, like this... Yeah, complexity versus...

It keeps coming up, like this... Yeah, complexity versus...

like vps's or whatever i'm just talking yeah i don't care either side sounds and nobody is ever shipping anything exactly what are they i don't know i saw you say something about that and i had to think about it deeply for a moment like are there a lot of people shipping they just don't talk so the people who are talking these people that are always like arguing about you should be a vps it should be whatever it's like i have never used your product

like vps's or whatever i'm just talking yeah i don't care either side sounds and nobody is ever shipping anything exactly what are they i don't know i saw you say something about that and i had to think about it deeply for a moment like are there a lot of people shipping they just don't talk so the people who are talking these people that are always like arguing about you should be a vps it should be whatever it's like i have never used your product

What is like one notable product that is like shipped on a VPS?

What is like one notable product that is like shipped on a VPS?

So, okay. So let's define VPS because I feel like lots of large companies manage their own infrastructure. Like they don't use... I mean, EC2 is a VPS. Okay, right. So like there's this association though with VPS. There's kind of a connotation that it's like... a digital ocean droplet is cheap and it's whatever, it's not using one of the major cloud providers.

So, okay. So let's define VPS because I feel like lots of large companies manage their own infrastructure. Like they don't use... I mean, EC2 is a VPS. Okay, right. So like there's this association though with VPS. There's kind of a connotation that it's like... a digital ocean droplet is cheap and it's whatever, it's not using one of the major cloud providers.

Don't you think there's, there's, it's like, I know.

Don't you think there's, there's, it's like, I know.

Yeah. On its own. And it's an AWS thing. So, like, you're not spiritually aligned with the crowd that's, like, the $5 VPS crowd, right?

Yeah. On its own. And it's an AWS thing. So, like, you're not spiritually aligned with the crowd that's, like, the $5 VPS crowd, right?

Okay, so they include AWS, yeah. They're just opposed to... Well, that's the thing. The $5 VPS crowd is sort of really angry at the Vercel and Netlify layer of cloud abstraction, which I also think is stupid and won't exist in five years. Or if it does, it'll look very different. But that's not where we live. We talked about this, at least offline. Yeah.

Okay, so they include AWS, yeah. They're just opposed to... Well, that's the thing. The $5 VPS crowd is sort of really angry at the Vercel and Netlify layer of cloud abstraction, which I also think is stupid and won't exist in five years. Or if it does, it'll look very different. But that's not where we live. We talked about this, at least offline. Yeah.

Yeah. And it doesn't feel like And I'm sure people have said this before, but it doesn't feel like extra work once you... It's not extra work once you know it, yeah. It's like, I hate the idea that just ship a thing as fast as you possibly can. It could be a piece of junk, but ship it so you can move on and make money or whatever.

Yeah. And it doesn't feel like And I'm sure people have said this before, but it doesn't feel like extra work once you... It's not extra work once you know it, yeah. It's like, I hate the idea that just ship a thing as fast as you possibly can. It could be a piece of junk, but ship it so you can move on and make money or whatever.

It's like, it doesn't take me more time to ship something with this stack that works for anything than it does... Like, I don't know what shortcuts I would take that actually save me time by using some other stack or some simpler thing.