Justine Bateman
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210 appearances
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2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard Dec 2024
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And this school shooter, aren't we used to the school shooters being, I don't know, radicalized young men? Or maybe I'm speaking that incorrectly. I mean, isn't that usually that? No, no, it's 19 to 26-year-old men. But now you have a young woman, teenager, who's railing against misogyny. You see, so these two kill, it's an interesting timing for them. They're both murderers. That's it.
A murderer. They're both murderers. Neither one of them doing it out of self-defense. So in society, as far as I'm concerned, that is abhorrent and not to be, it's unacceptable in our society. You can't have a society, a cohesive society, if that kind of thing is acceptable, obviously.
But I think, yeah, what I said, I think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance for many, many people that these two killers are the types of people that they are.
Yeah, and be interesting to see where that started. I really liked doing the Pledge of Allegiance when I was a kid. I'm sorry to hear that that's, I know that's not been a part of the regular school mornings for a while now, and that's too bad. I'm not opposed to religion not being in schools, or you said, you didn't say schools, you said the town square. It's the public square. You know-
It's interesting, spirituality, the decline, you know, when you look, there's a chart, right? The decline is really sharp, the fall off. I don't know when the sort of steep descent begins, but maybe, Megan, it has to do with the kind of flattening of culture that the internet, you know, public-facing internet introduced. And look, there's a lot of great things about the internet.
And one of the consequences though was a flattening of culture, a flattening of time too. Like imagine some interview that I did in 1987 You could find in a magazine, a 1987 issue of a magazine, and it's in context. You see other people that were, you know, popular enough at the time to be interviewed. You see ads from that time, news that was happening at that time, whatever.
But now you see an interview of me from 1987 online. There's no context. It's as if I said it yesterday or, you know, oftentimes these interviews and articles don't have any dates on them at all. So there's that aspect of it as far as news, as far as what is happening. And then you also have just this almost a monoculture of,
of everybody knowing what everybody's doing all at once, you no longer had these pockets sort of, not an incubator, but an area in which, and a time and a space where something could develop and then emerge. You remember when we were kids, something, If you were living in L.A., there would be like some fashion like bell bottoms or something like this.
And then you go visit your cousins in Wisconsin or Utah or something. And and they're like, what are you wearing? And then three or four years later, that would be a trend there. So all of that went away with the Internet because everything's so immediate. So.
Okay. Yeah, I didn't mean to cut you off. I just mean that song is like absolutely bizarre to me.
Well, yeah, part of it. But think of it. I think of it this way. You had, when you were interacting with your peers before the internet, you had real world consequences. You found out that behaving in a particular way got you uninvited to the next party. You were shunned in certain, and then, but there's opportunity to like earn your way back into a group or something, right?
I mean, it was sort of, it was more tribal like that, right? But then when the internet was introduced, social media, you could actually get attention, which is not the same thing as approval. You could get attention online for behavior and also couple that with, and this preceded the internet and social media by a bit, reality shows. Yeah.
So I always think back to the first reality show that I recall, which was Real World on MTV. And there was a guy on there named Puck. And Puck was... Puck misbehaved. I mean, as you can... That's his name. So... I remember. There's a Shakespearean play with Puck in it. Yeah. Yeah. Is it a little... What is it? Midsummer Night's Dream? What is it? Midsummer Night's Dream. Yeah.
A Little Mischief Maker. So he was a real pain in the ass. And... And then but the people were so enthralled with the idea that somebody was behaving like that and and nothing was really happening to him. And so that became a trend in social and on reality shows. You know, the worst behavior got rewarded with attention and money and whatever else. So I think people saw these two things.
And then that sort of tribal consequence of being a poor addition to a party or something was diluted. I think that has something to do with it.
Yeah, that was another one.
Yeah. I mean, when you're younger, you look around, you're like, you're new to society, especially as a little kid, right? What do people value? There's a sociologist named Rene Girard who has this theory called mimetic desire. His theory is that nobody wants anything when they're born except the core need and desire to survive.
When they look around and they see what other people are desiring who have been here longer, and then they just sort of mimic their desire. They go, oh, everybody wants that car. Okay, then I want to want it too, you know, because how else are you going to... You look around at the society that exists to see how you can...
to see what's valued in order to not only fit in, but to, to be a value in that society as well. And that is, and then that does come back to somebody's sense of surviving. Right. So it's a shame little kids, then they look at, they look at, they looked at that, um, uh, reality, that poor reality show behavior. They look at how people behave online. They look at, um,
I mean, even Trump's behavior, you know, he looked at it objectively in 2016, changed the way he was criticizing people, you know, that I was not in favor of, frankly, but that changed political behavior. Do you notice? After that, it not only changed political behavior, I mean, how many people, how many politicians had online accounts at that point?
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