Kate Hawkesby

David Seymour, who's Associate Minister of Health, and that is embargoed to later on today.

But anyway, it's too interesting to adhere to that particular rule.

So the average student, let me give you the numbers.

The average state primary student

is $8,762.

The charter number is $8,200.

So 8-7 versus 8-2.

At secondary, it's $11,000 per student.

State secondary, $11,000.

Charter, it's $10,700.

And for the actual school, a primary school,

would receive $401,000, but the state equivalent, $600,000.

A secondary school, a charter school gets $478,000, a state $951,000.

So it's all of the argument from the unions that, yes, we could do just as well in the state sector if only we got all the money that charter schools got, is not, has not, and has never been true.

It's cheaper to do it.

And all the people who support charter schools, and I'm one of them, all they've ever asked for is choice.

And what's wrong with choice?

Especially if you save money.

We're at 13 minutes away from 8.

So interesting in the house yesterday, Julianne Genter was having a go at Chris Bishop.